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TIFF and LibTiff Mailing List Archive, FAQ

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Question 1. How can I post in this list?
Question 2. Why do some URLs show as plain text only? Why do some others point to locations different from the plain text URL shown?
Question 3. Can I have the old invalid links in my signature point to my new pages?
Question 4. Why is there no bad quoting style and such in more recent messages? Do so many people really build clean and easily readable mails?
Question 5. Why is AWare Systems hosting this archive?
Question 6. Will you consider hosting any other archives as well?
Question 7. I find the LibTiff library and/or this archive useful!

Question 1. How can I post in this list?

Posting in this list is for subscribers only. While AWare Systems does host the mailing list archive, we do not actually host the mailing list itself. Here is the subscription page.

Question 2. Why do some URLs show as plain text only? Why do some others point to locations different from the plain text URL shown?

The TIFF mailing list archive spans over 10 years of mailing list activity. Most of the URLs that are over a few years old, are not valid anymore. It is frustrating for users, and bad for crawlers, to have so many dead links. That's why our content management system checks these URLs regularly. Dead URLs are shown as plain text only, valid URLs are shown as true HTML links.

Some URLs are no longer valid, but the original document is still on-line somewhere, and its location is known to us. In that case, the original URL is still shown in the text, while the 'href' part of the link points to the correct new location.

Question 3. Can I have the old invalid links in my signature point to my new pages?

Yes, you can. If you are a regular poster, and the URL in your old signatures is no longer valid, please drop us a mail to tell us what invalid old URL should link to what new location. We will, of course, require some form of proof that your claim is legitimate.

Please note that we cannot change the original message text. It will still show the old URL, we cannot change it because that would be archive forgery. The actual URL linked to, the 'href' part of the HTML link that users and crawlers are directed to, however, is not considered part of the original plain text message, and that part we can change to point to the new location of the document that was originally referred to.

Question 4. Why is there no bad quoting style and such in more recent messages? Do so many people really build clean and easily readable mails?

The TIFF mailing list archive is currently being manually reviewed. We do not change actual content of the messages, that goes without saying. But we do get rid, for instance, of redundant quoting of entire messages. We also delete Yahoo or MSN webmail signatures, and may improve quoting marks and insert empty lines to enhance readability. Most importantly, we manually review thread relationships, and correct them wherever our automatic thread relationship detection code got it wrong.

By default, when a mailing list subscriber just hits 'reply' on any message in his mail client, the reply is only sent to the original sender, not the mailing list. Most of the time, that is a missed opportunity to enhance the usefulness of the archive. The receiver may be more considerate and re-include the mailing list in the list of recipients. This explains many of the 'holes' in many archived threads. Wherever possible, our manual reviewing includes reconstructing the missing messages from quotes in mails that were sent through the proper channel, so as to enhance readability and thread logic where before there was only confusion and bad browsing experience. Messages that were reconstructed this way bear an 'Editor's note' appended to them saying so.

This manual reviewing is the reason why threads dated May 2000 or later are so much more clear, and make more pleasant reading. Incidentally, the date in this previous sentence, is also updated by our content management system as we make progress. So check here if you're interested in what progress we are making.

Older messages are often in a much worse state. Not only is there plenty of bad quoting (marking), and bottom-over-quoting and such, but also a lot of additional mutilation of the messages due to us having to build this archive from many different badly maintained sources. Some parts of the archive are even missing. We are working on correcting mutilations, fixing quoting and thread relationships. If you have got any archive of your own that overlaps with any of the missing periods, we would appreciate hearing about it.

Question 5. Why is AWare Systems hosting this archive?

Simply because we feel it's worth it. The archive is a vast resource of TIFF and LibTiff related knowledge. Many very respectable people have contributed to it, over the years.

Sam, Frank, Andrey, and many others have done a fine job looking after the code all this time. They are sharing this free and open library as a community service, and we love them for it. So we were really happy to be able to make a modest contribution of our own.

Question 6. Will you consider hosting any other archives as well?

Yes, in time, we will. There is a lot of work on the TIFF mailing list archive that is still to be done. But in time, we will consider hosting archives of other graphic file format codec library mailing lists. If you own such a mailing list and might be interested, please drop us a line, we will be more then happy to discuss this with you. Please note that we cannot take on another archive right away, though, and please also note that this offer extends to other major graphic file format codec libraries only.

Question 7. I find the LibTiff library and/or this archive useful!

Then why not cast your vote by linking to it from your own pages? We recommend the following HTML that you could simply copy and paste into your own:

<a href="http://www.remotesensing.org/libtiff/">LibTiff, a free and open source TIFF codec</a><br>
<a href="http://www.awaresystems.be/imaging/tiff/tml.html">TIFF and LibTiff mailing list archive</a><br>

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